eyes wide shut who was the masked woman

The lower part is made of paper-mache, while the upper one Yes, and we could speculate even further: there are no dream sequenceswhatsoever in the film, Alice's story about the navel officer being arecollection of her past desires, not a portrayed dream as such atall. What a mish mash of mental masturbation that is.. Psycho-semi-freudian-lacanisn-junkie-marxist babbling. >>>>>>>>>If this were really the> case, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to the> masked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" It was in the trailer or a TV spot. The 'mystery' is how SHE knows that he is an interloper. Here was Stanley Kubrick, for many the worlds greatest living filmmaker, returning with his first finished project in 12 years a sexually provocative adult drama, utterly shrouded in secrecy, starring pre-eminent Hollywood power couple Tom I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. The most obvious answer is Alice found the mask and left it out as a way to let Bill know she knew something was going on. Lets look at the basic plot of this film. I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you mean, but the way you're saying it is silly. It was a > party nevertheless. I am normally the last guy in the> world to criticize somebody for using big words. What else could he call it? Not only are they the REAL "anti-intellectuals," they were schizoid as hell and projected it onto the social mess, creating political gibberish, that has NO usefulness to anyone. Masks - both literal and figurative - are a major motif, and one of the most important sequences is when Bill infiltrates a masked sex party at a remote mansion, which is being held by members of high society. He has written words for Den of Geek, Collider, The Irish Times and Screen Rant over the years, and can discuss anything from the MCU - where Hawkeye is clearly the best character - to the most obscure cult b-movie gem, and his hot takes often require heat resistant gloves to handle. Somerton could hardly be >> >>>>>> described (and>, >> certainly not by Bill) as a 'party.'<<<<<<<<<<<. >> First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he >> was showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom.>, > Bill in that scene was simply behaving as a (not very) professional> doctor; and he seemed just as concerned about Ziegler's anxiety than> about Mandy's actual wellbeing. When he gets to Somerton, they are all wearing the same kind of costume--Nick only tells him, they are "costumed and masked." Some will sink but we will float.Grab your coat. He may literally have to go underground, or to the moon, etc. Statanic mass? > Well I hope you see now that this is clear after reading the dialogue. How? Indeed, the film iscentrally concerned with the failure of a 'male-centric' andpatriarchal ideology to deal with female desire; and the narrativethrust of the film revolves around Bill's increasingly hopelessefforts to flee from (but also to copy and avenge) Alice's desire, adesire from which he is completely excluded, just as he is laterexcluded from the desire-space of the power-elite at Somerton. <<<<<<<<< Again. <<<<<<<<<<. reinforced bythe simple observation that you have never actually posted here before[at least under your supplied handle/ID]. at the> ceremony/orgy. 0. S he was the same woman who overdosed at Victor Ziegler's party earlier in the movie. Technology has caught up with his disguises andcovers. > the same time, being simple and concrete. it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Billhas been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-vis Mandy and the masked woman. Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elitesdoesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who dorecognise the realities of social power and of desire are justparanoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those whoattribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are beingproperly paranoid). I never said Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when > we study it. The twenty-something woman confirmed she and her partner Leonard are polyamorous. No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" The Redeemer's voice does sound alot like Mandy's voice, both with a hint of a New York accent. I'm your Mutineer~ - Warren Zevon- -. :>released around the same time, The Ninth Gate. Now that's out of the way, a brief introduction. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, -- Dennis/Endyhttp://home.comcast.net/~endymion91/~I was born to rock the boat. Tom Cruise in the Masked Ball ritual scene from Stanley Kubrick's masterpiece Eyes Wide Shut with Jocelyn Pook's haunting score filling the temple. > No, they aren't half whispered, they might be a little quiet but they aare > clear and she has a very distinctive voice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AzOnnrAlE8, http://www.celebsvideoarchive.com/videos/Julienne%20Davis/index.html, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvNO0BfBecc. Changes within the building seem to lack that phone booth sense of urgency and drama. That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). He obtains the secret password to a clandestine masked ball, where he has a seductive encounter with a beautiful stranger. > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? If this were really thecase, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to themasked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" news:47897d0b$0$5129$4c36@roadrunner.com > Harry writes: (seen on google)>> >>> 1. so drugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense >> >>> of>>> anything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligible >> mumbling),<<<>, >> No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare >> kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" Before warning him, the People were dancing, there was music wearing costumes, and although > it was strange, calling it a "party," would not be unusual in the > slightest. So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figureon the basis of his eyes? >Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? He had no reason to think Zeigler was at Somerton, till Zeigler tells him. Alot was going on, he had to figure it out. Even though much was 'cleared" up there are still major mysteries here that unless they are encoded in single frames for analyssis will alwasy be a mystery. If those 2-3 women were supposed to be the same woman, Kubrick would, I thought this film was much less interesting than the competing film, In rec.arts.movies.past-films Kelpzoidzl <, In rec.arts.movies.past-films Harry Bailey <, On Feb 26, 3:27pm, "Avoid normal situations. That is what she was" implying that her deathis of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Zieglerchooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by theZieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by hisdesire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" If he wereZiegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privatelycommunicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly aspossible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Zieglersubsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like acomplete fool')? >>>>>>>> And even if it was clear, even if he hadreferred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)party, it would still be uncertain, because, 1. >>>>>>>>If this were really thecase, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to themasked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" Even had Alice found it in the cadenza, would she have recognized it as meaningful and taken it? <<<<<<<<<<<<<>. Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice? Perhaps it> would have worked better if there had been a photo in the news> article. > not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using > them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. ". Bill in that scene was simply behaving as a (not very) professionaldoctor; and he seemed just as concerned about Ziegler's anxiety thanabout Mandy's actual wellbeing. Perhaps Alice was already attending these rituals and this was a way to gently break in stuffy and repressed Bill to this new found club and part of his initiation. Much of what we have seen is Bill's non-verbal reactions to > all this, which is full of shock and bewilderment. But what he was getting at was whether it was murder and a sacrifice for him, which makes him feel responsible, since it would not have happened had he not been there. Ha ha hah, ha ha hah! WebEyes Wide Shut. From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Bill> has been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-> vis Mandy and the masked woman. "you are going to need some rehab," she says, "I > know.". When we see the news article about dead Mandy, it says "Beauty Queen"but how did Bill know that was the same woman who ODd or helped him atthe orgy, since he never knew the real name of either? >>>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone accept> anything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman> (or women) as "a hooker. reinforced bythe simple observation that you have never actually posted here before[at least under your supplied handle/ID]. It is as if he Wanted, as if hedesired, compelled, it to be so again, its at two - simultaneousbut contradictory - levels (as ALWAYS in many of Kubrick's films -like in The Shining: are the spectral ghosts 'real' or is Jack etcimagining them? ">> "I saw her body in the morgue. Somerton could hardly be > >>>>>> described (and. On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 5:36:03 PM UTC-4, JD Chase wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, byend.removethisbityousillyper@eskimo.com, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inLfK535oxs. and she > replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," > Mandy says, "I know." >>Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays >>her voice in his head while looking over the body. >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy all> along. As though testing how well Bill's implanted suggestions had taken..????? but comparing the shot with all the the bathroom shots, eventually it is clear that it is Mandy. The point, however, is that even if all three female'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the samecharacter), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not tomention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world. In a buddhist sutra, Sakyamuni, criticized the compulsive mental masturbators and referred to them as people "counting ganges sands." Let him go! Well, in the interview with "Mandy" - Julienne Davis. Its common sense he was referring to Somerton as the party. Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let thewomen there know that there was an interloper? >, but, besides that you're> not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. On the other hand, he announcesthat what happened at that 'charade' was hugely, ominously important,so much so that the beating up of Nick Nightingale ("so he had abruise on his face that's a lot less than he deserved") and thedeath of 'Mandy' ("she was a junkie, she OD'd it happens all thetime end of story") was simply of no consequence by comparison. I am normally the last guy in the, > world to criticize somebody for using big words. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. The film revolves around the tension between these twophenomena; it is about this tension): 1. desiring Amanda Curran to bethe Mandy from Ziegler's party would confirm his guilt - in hisprofessional capacity as a doctor attending a patient in need - aboutleaving her fate in the hands of Ziegler, serving power rather thanmorality or medical ethics, a guilt he now seeks to redress byimmediately going to visit Amanda/Mandy at the hospital to try andredeem himself; and 2. desiring Amanda to be the masked woman, a womanwho seemingly redeems Bill's Somerton-crashing guilt for him via theSomerton 'charade.'. If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? (2) With AT&T recently announcing that they will dump almost all of their public pay phones, where can he change? Poor Clark. But he still wasn't sure after reading the news story, or even aftervisiting the morgue, as his disbelief at Ziegler's explanationindicated. And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is still a mystery. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing this," Mandy says, "Ya." He did not know who she was: she was wearing> a mask. But the worst thing is your silly and smug arrogance. Orgy? The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy all along, although apparently there was a body double for some scenes. Many of the nude women begin pairing up with the fully-clothed men, and the orgy begins in nearly full view. But he can't know for sure (because she was> masked at Somerton).>, >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy >> all along,>>, > If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? 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