One early example was Philip, who explained scripture to the Ethiopian eunuch, a superior person who was also humble. FYI “noprem” is a username I adopted long ago to control spam. The scriptures are all unified and point to a central figure in Christ. 44For at the moment the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the infant in my womb leaped for joy. Galatians? Just the opposite- you’ll find words like ‘unreliable, doubtful, legendary’ … No new scholarship has changed that. (Cf. @noprem That is interesting noprem.  One must read the entire verse and bible to glean its message not just the bits and pieces. BTW that belief was a holdover from a movement prophesied by Paul and John, to name two. I am unable to post the full text from the following scriptures, but they are common to all Bibles and demonstrate God’s plan with attention to the ark of the covenant: Thanks be to God. How strange it would be for the ark of the old testament, which only contained symbols of God’s presence, to be without stain but the mother of the one true God Jesus Christ to be somewhat less than the ark and be stained with sin. You did say…. Fornication with either sex is forbidden by God but often tolerated by the Church. Back to the OP. That’s why Catholic teachings about Mary are more consistent with scripture, even if they aren’t explicitly stated, than the man-made traditions of men. To find out what Pope Benedict recommends for summer reading (and it’s not big heavy theological works but stuff anybody can read–sometimes in an hour or less), sign up at www.SecretInfoClub.com or use this handy form: Just email me if you have any difficulty. “she would have died on contact with the Holy Spirit”, then Nadab, Abihu, Uzzah are cited. Paul says that it’s fine to have a wife or husband, but just live as though you have neither; (v29) weep as though you are not, rejoice as though do not; and buy as though you possessed nothing (v30) and use this world, but don’t abuse it. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”. Luke 1:43 / 2 Sam. The Greek word kecharitomene is often translated as “full of grace” but it is more nuanced than that. In fact, knowing about the existence of angels is not dissimilar to knowing about the existence of aliens. 12:1 are tied together because there was no chapter and verse at the time these texts were written. Later exegetes were Paul, Peter, James, Jude, and the Gospel writers. Mary's sinless conception is … There are three scriptures that involve Mary, the mother of Jesus, which are important to the RCC. But the real argument here is whether Christ left us any visible authority (even the New Testament scriptures didn’t come until after he ascended). For it were not pious to ascribe to any other than to her the firstfruit of virginity” (Commentary on Matthew 2:17 [A.D. 248]). The name that God gives is the essence of the person (like Peter being the rock upon which the Church was founded) and so Mary is truly the one who is full of grace. I think it just seems that way because most non-Catholic Christians hardly emphasize it at all and have been trained to make any tradition they don’t like to automatically be the man-made tradition St. Paul warns about, and not the sacred tradition he exhorts us to follow. Later exegetes were Paul, Peter, James, Jude, and the Gospel writers. An then,  Mary, when “the fullness of time is upon the earth”, to fulfill God’s plan for the salvation of mankind From the Baltimore of 1941:   Question: "Why is the Virgin Birth so important?" Do you believe that they would deny that God conceived through Ann, Mary to be the sacred vessel?   . A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman* clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.a 2She was with child and wailed aloud in pain as she labored to give birth. Isaiah 7:14 “Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel”   I use an NIV, or KJV usually =noprem=  “If the scripture has the simple meaning I assign to it, based on the plain language, then how can Jesus be “the only true God”?   Thus, by redeeming Mary in such a way that she was given this gift while still in this life–and at the very beginning of her life–he made her an icon of what he will one day do for all of us. Mary also was conceived pure and remained pure from the stain of sin because she is the mother of Christ. The implications are clear, but not exact. Revelation 2:7 (Just as if it turned out that aliens had interacted with our race, that wouldn’t make their existence a truth of soteriology, either.). What we are able to do is tarnish that gold with sin and wrong doing for which we must repent. We are obliged to believe in the existence of angels because the Bible is the inspired, written expression of God’s word, and as such it has the Holy Spirit as its primary author. Sign up if you would like to receive occasional treats from us. What do you think? Our purpose is to build the body of God with Christ as the head; by our works we become as the arms, legs,torso, etc.. of God. He is part of a speakers’ panel in which he addresses issues related to marriage, fatherhood, and moral theology. Existing ‘way befofre 400 AD.   With impatience, as I read history. “Behold, your mother.” John 19). ” Note the future tense.   God, for reasons known to him, deemed it useful for us to know about the existence of angels, and so he revealed that truth. Even the popes in Rome during the Medici times had wives and children… So, what makes the current pope and/or priests now believe that they are any better at doing the job? “Taken from “Scripture Catholic” … but that’s not part of my theology, nor an obligation for me to read or believe. We have the same parents as him. This happens to be a popular misconception by many people. Written about 150 A.D.” In the beginning,  Joachim is fasting in the wilderness and Anne is mourning in her garden, both of them lamenting their childlessness. The ark contained symbols of the old covenant — manna, the staff of Aaron, and the tablets of the law;  In Mary’s womb was Christ — the Bread of Life, the new law, and the one priest. In verse 3 though, it refers to the same people forbidding marriage and commanding to abstain from meats God desires they receive. Jesus is the only divine person (2 natures: divine and human). Philip thus explained Isa 53 to me, also. Bless you, @mblouin Trusting God is full of complexity, that’s why Christ calls us to persevere to the end. I use the newadvent.org site often for biblical and religious researches; I suggest that some of you begin to do the same. we have found it in the fields of Jaar. The sinlessness and the assumption are not only not found in scriprure, they direclty contradict- even negate- the reason Jesus came to earth from Heaven, according to the Bible, anyway. My point there is that Bishops gathered to make determinations about what books were inspired (you can thank God for that). “Full of grace”, Mary is “the most excellent fruit of redemption” (Sacrosanctum Concilium 103): from the first instant of her conception, she was totally preserved from the stain of original sin and she remained pure from all personal sin throughout her life.   Not my statement, nor did I mean to infer it. What do we mean when we say that the entire Bible is inspired? And this I say for your own profit, not that I may put a leash on you, but for what is proper, and that you may serve the Lord without distraction.” The honor of “who should overcome” would be as great as if the name of that God whom he served were inscribed on him in some visible manner. nor lie on the couch where I sleep; The fate of Uzzah demonstrates that contact with any of the sacred objects of the Tabernacle entailed indirect contact with the uncreated power of God. That is defective discussion, done deliberately. As a matter of fact, it is actually the conception of Mary herself that is referred to here. Christ left visible authority. 14 He will be a joy and delight to you, and many will rejoice because of his birth, 15 for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. The LORD has spoken”. But I sense there’s something bigger, deeper, and more hidden in the soul about this whole Catholic schtick about Mary, whether it’s right or wrong. The first is that somehow Mary was exempt from the “all” men who have sinned. “All scripture, every good work, perfect” [in this case its basic meaning of complete], and so I have found it to be. “He (God) chose the mother he had created and he created the mother he had chosen” (Sermon 69, 3.4). There is a difference between a wife and a virgin. God’s entire will for the world and us is stated in His prayer. And the bible never says that the bible is the sole authority for faith and morals; but the Church is:  1 Tim 3:15:  “But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth.” There are some things that are indeed pretty simple and straight-forward to understand that no one could possibly ever argue about (sarcasm), such as Jesus’ blunt words in John 6:53:  “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. Mary's Immaculate Conception is a special gift from God preserving her from original sin and concupiscence - the inclination to sin. might not know intercourse with a man after the Holy Spirit came into her and the power from on high overshadowed her. Cutting to the chase: Let’s see what a study of a simpler text tells us. You will likely disagree, but let me ask you:  Without this visible authority, how is it even possible to know which scripture is inspired by God? Jonathan Meyer - What is the Immaculate Conception and why is it important? Recently to RCC had its annual celebration of the Assumption of Mary into Heaven, which occasion generated this OP. I take this to mean that Jesus has someone he calls ‘his God’ (four times, here), to whom he defers but who has given Jesus certain privileges. She alone among all the Jews was to escape the edict of King Ahasuerus that all the Jews in his kingdom must be killed. By preserving Mary from all stain of original sin, God thus redeemed her. That single verse all by itself could be used to point out virtually anyone. . For Protestants to argue otherwise would be to say that God would let the finger of Satan touch His Son made flesh. Jerusalem was the place where the temple was reared, and where the worship of God was celebrated. I could go on, but it seems that we may have to agree to disagree on the matter. @noprem  “…inspired of God,” – absolutely, always taught by RCC Luke 1:39 / 2 Sam. “Exodus 25:11-21 – the ark of the Old Covenant was made of the purest gold for God’s Word. John Wycliffe also stated, “There is no sex or age, no rank or position, of anyone in the whole human race, which has no need to call for the help of the Holy Virgin.” .. De 19:21; Rom 5:8,12,19; 6:7,23; Ps 37:29; Rev 7; Mt 6:10. Not even as to the end of Mary’s life on earth. This shows us that the Ark is undefiled. Also allowing God to take the steering wheel; make all the decisions; lead; guide and tell you what to do minute by minute is what I am working on now……I say that I trust God, but yet I am always finding myself making decisions for Him…. Consequently, whatever Scripture asserts (in the proper sense) is something asserted by the Holy Spirit. When you insist that Mary was ‘touched’ by HS because it was ‘in her’? He has no more need of an earthly seat; not Jerusalem, not Rome, not Brooklyn, not Worms. Faith is a gift.   The concern expressed in the objection is understandable. This is incomprehensible. @mblouin “let me know if you would prefer that I send it in portions” Similarly, if scripture and the teachings of the Church appear to contradict, the problem is a misinterpretation of scripture and/or the Church’s teaching. @noprem  Luckily, Jesus thought of that: Matthew 16:19, Jesus speaking to Peter:  “I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Amen. Historically the RCC could never keep the promise that was made to be “celibate”. @noprem I read the previous posts. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01538a.htm   Why the Immaculate Conception? Does it ever end? All these may offered as reasons why God–and the Church–deemed it important for us to know about the Immaculate Conception. Prayer of Saint Francis of Assisi Lord, make me an instrument of your peace.Where there is hatred, let me sow love;where there is injury,pardon;where there is doubt, faith;where there is despair, hope;where there is darkness, light;and where there is sadness, joy.O Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console;to be understood as to understand;to be loved as to love.For it is in giving that we receive;it is in pardoning that we are pardoned;and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life. I take it as the word of God, not ‘the bishops’ or ‘the Council’, and I do respect it. @EJohnE “you are locked in to the non-scriptural ‘scripture alone’ ” Absolutely not true, as my Philip posts prove. all his hardships; God Bless you and keep you.   “In my experience, Christians believe in a triune God” (Mt 6:9,10), @noprem  You can compare any words about Mary with the same words about anything or anyone else- and waste your time completely. Not good math, so can it then be trusted with more complicated matters? All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness — but not only Scripture.   Can the choice be a matter of “interpretation”? She is God’s masterpiece. What does the dogma of the Immaculate Conception entail, and why is it important? He would be known and recognized as belonging to GOD; the God OF THE Redeemer himself –  “the name of my God.”  The high priest had written on his forehead kodesh laihovah, “Holiness to the Lord.” Ding! To him who overcomes, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.” my eyelids no rest, Start reading Jimmy's best-selling book The Fathers Know Best in under a minute! I would like also to note that Catholics DO NOT Worship Mary, we ask for her intercession with her Son Jesus Christ. The disobey and pay the stated penalty for their sin: death. All of this makes clear why the Immaculate Conception matters—it protects the true humanity of Jesus. This Saturday, December 8th, is the feast of the Immaculate Conception.  Arguments are indeed “pretty much the same”. Go out and assemble the widowers of the people and let them bring each his rod, and to whomsoever the Lord shall show a sign, his wife shall she be. I can only imagine if it appeared as a question on the game show the Family Feud, “The top 4 answers are on the board. Who here will admit the necessity of teaching and doing Mt 24:14, from Jesus himself? That is why Nadab and Abihu died offering alien fire to the Lord (Lev. In future, cite or quote a scripture or two, show its application to the OP, and take a cool-off period. Mary the Ark of the New Covenant is even more immaculate and undefiled, spared by God from original sin so that she could bear His eternal Word in her womb. Immaculate Conception, Roman Catholic dogma asserting that Mary, the mother of Jesus, was preserved free from the effects of the sin of Adam (usually referred to as … “Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant could be seen in the temple. Kevin Knight does a fine job with the site. (I was able to get the piece composed, but not loaded into the highly graphical interface to send it.). In Protestantism there is no such authority — it’s as if every man was given the keys to the kingdom and is infallible, or they assign that charism to someone else of their own choosing rather than who Christ chose. Life for life; perfect man (Jesus only) for perfect man (Adam only); Adamic sin paid off therefore; our own sins paid off by our deaths; resurrection to new life, whether on earth or in Heaven. very sorry that my post ran together like that, let me know if you would prefer that I send it in portions. It’s akin to asking our own mother to pray for us. Do they teach men about the Kingdom of God? The Catechism says that “In Catholic doctrine there exists an order or hierarchy of truths, since they vary in their relation to the foundation of the Christian faith” (CCC 90). These other beliefs support the belief in the core truth. To establish the truth of and corroborate the reason for  the Immaculate Conception. There are also many points that opposition to the Catholic Church supports in regard to Mary. For us to reject the existence of angels would be to reject the authority of God as our teacher, and to do that knowingly and deliberately would be a mortal sin. Therefore, tradition as referred to by St. Paul, should be kept. Why is she a million times more important to you than she is to us? My journey is ongoing but I remain steadfast (and encourage others) in asking our Savior Jesus Christ to impart The Truth upon my through the Holy Spirt! As the high priest had on his breastplate the names of the twelve tribes engraved, and these constituted the city or Church of God; Christ here promises that in place of them the twelve apostles, representing the Christian Church, shall be written, which is called the New Jerusalem, and which God has adopted in place of the twelve Jewish tribes. When will it happen, do you think, and what is our part in it, if any? In fact, this immaculate conception, which distinguishes Mary from our common condition, does not distance her from us but, on the contrary, brings her closer to us. We have the same parents. Israel”. I recognized, however, that they point to the Roman Catholic Church’s teaching. The gospels mention her as necessary to the subject, as Judas, Caesar, Barnabas and others are mentioned in their places. There is no scripture or scripture interpretation that spells out or even infers the Assumption. Isaiah 25:8 “he will swallow up death forever. It proved controversial in the Middle Ages, but was revived in the 19th century and was adopted as Church dogma when Pope Pius IX promulgated Ineffabilis Deus in 1854. Mary was preserved from these defects by God’s grace; from the first instant of her existence she was in the … Does Magisterium’s understanding of the language mean that “my God” does NOT mean “my God”? “Even more immaculate and undefiled” makes no sense. Sacred scripture, sacred tradition, and the teaching authority of the Church are the authorities which are needed, complementary, and do not contradict. Thank for the opportunity to share the gospel with you. Out of these we’re supposed to learn that (a) Mary is sinless; (b) she is the mother of God; (c) the Catholic Church is the only true church and has existed from time immemorial; (d) the Church wrote the Bible and has the only correct teaching of it. For those who have been exposed to God’s revelation such that they know he has revealed the existence of angels, their salvation does hinge on their believing in angels–not because the doctrine of angels is high up in the hierarchy of truths, and not because it is a truth directly connected with salvation, but because it is a truth God has revealed. It is not important to Protestants, who reject the veneration of saints. 13:14 – Mary / the Ark remained in the house for about three months. If both were made by the hand of God in the Garden should we expect that God would not have them be miraculously concieved by His own hands to then become the saviors of the world? Wouldn’t matter. There is no scripture or scripture interpretation that spells out or even infers the Assumption. But the One who was like us in all things but sin, is a true man and like all men born of a woman. It had already been divinely revealed and thus called for divine faith, but not that it had been infallibly proclaimed by the Church, it came to call for catholic faith as well. He also deemed it useful for us to know about the Immaculate Conception of his Son’s mother, and so he revealed that as well. ‘He has installed upon ZION his King’ says the inspired psalmist, at Ps 2 & 110. (1 Cor 4:6) And your own Peter had a much higher opinion of Paul’s writings than is exhibited on this topic: “And account the longsuffering of our Lord, salvation: as also our most dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, has written to you:” (2 Pet 3;15). Faith based, It is where the Holy Spirit comes from as in the prayer THY KINGDOM COME.. it came post ressurection…. 1900) describe the stories of “Anne and Joachim” and note their similarity to that of Samuel’s mother Hannah. (“offering before the Lord strange fire”) If not, what does “my God” mean?”  =mblouin= The Kingdom of GOD(KOG) is Faith based. Does the magisterium equate “one” with “a line”? For instance, do you find any significant difference in wording in various Catholic-approved Bibles; ? ASP - Fr. (Mt 24:14; Mt 6:9,10) Just look around at the panoply associated with your current Assumption festivals-  all that effort, but are you passing the scriptural test our Lord talked about at Mt 7:21? Rather, the term Immac… dmohrCatholic. The removal of sanctifying grace also brings with it other effects on human nature such as concupiscence. That,in turn, is indeed a matter of life and death, and a creator God owes us something that can be understood by ordinary humans. Do you believe that the RCC would deny that God conceived trhrough Sarah, Isaac to rule a great nation of believers? And my other cites are similar, which is why I chose them. That he has done with the Bible, and I’m inclined to add ‘in spite of, not through, Doctors and Fathers’. It is in the passive participle and is more accurately translated as “made full of grace” to indicate the gift that God gave to the Virgin Mother. Joachim and Anne, the parents of Mary, is derived from apocryphal literature, the Gospel of the Nativity of Mary, the Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew and the Protoevangelium of James …” 16But the earth helped the woman and opened its mouth and swallowed the flood that the dragon spewed out of its mouth. Actually Immaculate Conception is less important than Advent Sunday and that is the reason it is transferred to the next day. In plain terms Revelation 3:12 reminds believers who God is, what God has done for them and what we have faith in for the future. . For God to dwell within Mary the Ark, Mary had to be conceived without sin. Taken from “Scripture Catholic” John 2:5, ibid: “His mother says to the waiters: Whatsoever [Jesus] shall say to you, do.” Romans 5:17 ” For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!”  Once the doctrine of Original Sin was better understood, the main theological problem that needed to be explained is related to St. Paul’s dictum that “all men have sinned” and in need “of the gift of justification come to reign in life through the one person Jesus Christ” (Romans 5:12,17). Anne”: To explain this, Blessed Duns Scotus developed the idea of her redemption being preventative rather than restorative. You’ll also get additional fascinating things. From one book. The Immaculate Conception Is About MaryA reader writes: Can you point me in the direction of why the Immaculate Conception is important in regards to salvation? Unless you have another “interpretation” of the key words. Throughout the history of the Church, the challenge to orthodoxy of heretical teachings has always brought with it the fruit of a development in doctrine. Then the dragon stood before the woman about to give birth, to devour her child when she gave birth.c 5She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod.     The then-current Jerusalem is the mother of Jews. I find that he referred often to the word of God, comparing it to “traditions of men”- those held by the leaders of the mainstream religion of his day. I 3“I will not enter the house where I live,a One of the key functions of the Church’s teaching authority, or Magisterium, is to help us understand what God has revealed, to make sure that we don’t ignore or misinterpret it, and it has done so in a variety of ways down the centuries. But we don’t see paradise restored. . A very important pillar of Catholic teaching is celebrated on the Feast of the Immaculate Conception on December 8. It is not just because she was pure and a virgin, but that God had patiently orchestrated it and put the entire process into place so that Mary’s sinlessness and purity was able to finally accomplish what God wanted for the world. She is the beloved daughter of God the Father, Mother of the Son of God and the temple of the Holy Spirit. Francis: at the Table altar… No longer a harvester he has now upon ressurection become THE Distributor of wealth or Spirit. One early example was Philip, who explained scripture to the Ethiopian eunuch, a superior person who was also humble.   Genesis 3:15  “I shall put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; it will bruise your head and you will strike its heel”   First of all, the Immaculate Conception refers to Mary's conceptionand secondly, it isn'treferring to the act of sexat all. 1 Corinthians 15:21 “For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man.” Can You Attend the Catholic Wedding of a Non-Practicing Catholic? You should look up the Proto and Anna [proposed mother of Mary] on newadvent.org’s Encyclopedia- hardly an anti-Catholic site. I live at a time when, according to those who claim to know these things, Ronald McDonald has surpassed Jesus Christ in popularity among children. @mblouin  @dmohrCatholic I have to credit the many wonderful apologists who have shown me scripture through the magisterium of the Catholic Church. 23k. She alone among all the Jews was to escape the edict of King Ahasuerus that all the Jews in his kingdom must be killed. So that when St. Paul says that all men have sinned, he is acknowledging a universal law and like all universal laws there can be exceptions.   The Immaculate Conception is important to Catholics because of Mariology, the extreme veneration of Mary. That Bible has, as did the Vulgate before it, scriptural proof that ONLY Jesus is Jehovah’s means of salvation. In 2 Samuel 6 David exclaims “How can the ark of the Lord come to me”. We can see some very interesting connections to the ways of the world from this entire passage. 2 Tim 3:16,17, Douay: “All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice:  That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work” As to the OP topic, do you have scriptures I have missed stating the time [era] and manner of Mary’s ‘leaving’? 7Let us enter his dwelling; What happens if her flesh is fallen? If not stated, it’s nonsensical to say they’re consistent with scripture. “Why should it be more difficult for me and others to understand the homely parables of Jesus, explained by him to those who were willing to listen…” You could benefit from a study of the Bible from scratch. If not, what does “my God” mean? The Parables are about the Workers of the Kingdom INCREASING the fruitor Gods GOODS . 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